we are a country based on the rule of law but illegal immigration does no good for our economy. in terms of those costs the c.b.o. numbers don't take into count thse...he medicaid medicare and all the other welfare program costs in the out years. it is a huge huge drag on our fiscal situation if we basically give access to all of these programs to this large number of people. we have to remember what happened last time we had an amnesty in 1986. immediately we saw 398,000 cases of fraud. those are the ones the i.n.s. caught where people came into the country and claimed they were eligible when they really weren't or in the case of one of the ring leaders of the 199 attacks on the world trade center he claimed he was eligible. heas already in the country. he was in new york city driving a cab. he claimed he was an agricultural worker. there's going to be all kinds of fraud >> ifill: i want to ask you about the border security part. both sides seem to agree both the white house and the senate group and the people who are working on this in the house that nothing can happen unless